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	<description>The Business Impact of IT</description>
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		<title>By: Adam Caletarini</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Caletarini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 01:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: &quot;technology-facilitated communities on the Web, on companiesÂ’ public Web sites, and on IntranetsÂ— were they a good idea, should they be encouraged, can then be shaped or stopped, etc.&quot;


I think communities are great for the net. It creates groups, collaborations and innovations. Then you run into intellectual property roadblocks. I am all for it though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: &#8220;technology-facilitated communities on the Web, on companiesÂ’ public Web sites, and on IntranetsÂ— were they a good idea, should they be encouraged, can then be shaped or stopped, etc.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think communities are great for the net. It creates groups, collaborations and innovations. Then you run into intellectual property roadblocks. I am all for it though.</p>
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		<title>By: Bachelors - Criminal Justice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bachelors - Criminal Justice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 04:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Information Technology has brought the revolution in the Business sector around the world. Local Businesses have come on international platform due to a simple website. People who barely check their emails may suddenly have a pop up at their page ends with sales up to 60%. CEOÂ’s and higher executives of many companies are not directly involved with IT related issues; however they have some kid of knowledge to deal with those situations. Many will understand what is web 2.0 but many will be of those kinds whom are not familiar with latest IT terms.

Information technologies, however, had left their biggest impact on the productivity of American business as a whole. Talk about any industry whether it is truck or real estate to health care to manufacturing, all have incorporated new technologies that helped make doing business more efficient and affordable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Information Technology has brought the revolution in the Business sector around the world. Local Businesses have come on international platform due to a simple website. People who barely check their emails may suddenly have a pop up at their page ends with sales up to 60%. CEOÂ’s and higher executives of many companies are not directly involved with IT related issues; however they have some kid of knowledge to deal with those situations. Many will understand what is web 2.0 but many will be of those kinds whom are not familiar with latest IT terms.</p>
<p>Information technologies, however, had left their biggest impact on the productivity of American business as a whole. Talk about any industry whether it is truck or real estate to health care to manufacturing, all have incorporated new technologies that helped make doing business more efficient and affordable.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Booth</title>
		<link>http://andrewmcafee.org/2008/03/sorry_was_that_an_aphorism/comment-page-1/#comment-3648</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Booth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 13:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is trying to hard.  I would imagine the key problem for business re the social web is how can organisations be sociable.

People are social, not products or companies. What does that mean for how they invest, buy, sell?

So isn&#039;t the key distinction here for them is that the web is becoming genuinely persoanal, not ersatz marketing personal. The technologies that shape that are less important than the culture shift they permit/support.

By the way i found this site cos of the top 100 listing you were mentioned on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is trying to hard.  I would imagine the key problem for business re the social web is how can organisations be sociable.</p>
<p>People are social, not products or companies. What does that mean for how they invest, buy, sell?</p>
<p>So isn&#8217;t the key distinction here for them is that the web is becoming genuinely persoanal, not ersatz marketing personal. The technologies that shape that are less important than the culture shift they permit/support.</p>
<p>By the way i found this site cos of the top 100 listing you were mentioned on.</p>
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		<title>By: jay</title>
		<link>http://andrewmcafee.org/2008/03/sorry_was_that_an_aphorism/comment-page-1/#comment-3647</link>
		<dc:creator>jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 06:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well more discussion is around the corner...http://itiswhatever.com/2008/03/05/web-20-and-enterprise-20/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well more discussion is around the corner&#8230;http://itiswhatever.com/2008/03/05/web-20-and-enterprise-20/</p>
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		<title>By: Malcolm Kass</title>
		<link>http://andrewmcafee.org/2008/03/sorry_was_that_an_aphorism/comment-page-1/#comment-3646</link>
		<dc:creator>Malcolm Kass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 19:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On your definition, seems very &quot;consulting-ese&quot;, which probably works quite well with Mr. and Mrs. CEO.  Regarding its effectiveness, it depends on the context of your presentation.  I assume that you further lead with your presentation on how Enterprise 2.0 would help solve these CEOÂ’s problems.  

I guess that I would say the Enterprise 2.0 is a branch of the Web 2.0 tree, and that their buy-in is crucial for company wide adoption and to achieve the benefits of such a system.  

I would be interested in actually seeing your presentation, if you don&#039;t mind.  Not to mention some takeaways you many have on the receptiveness of different industries to internal social communities.  For instance, I believe that a company like 3M would greatly benefit from an Enterprise 2.0 product.  It is company with a strong core competency (thin substrate/coating manufacturing) that has many mechanical/chemical engineers widely disbursed dealing with the same engineering process issues, just using different materials.  For instance, making blue painting tape in Minnesota probably has similar manufacturing issues to making red dot adhesive coated electrodes in Missouri. 

Maybe that could be the next step in your research, to uncover what industries/company type would benefit most from these enterprise 2.0 products.  I am not sure if you know him, but Prof. David Croson at SMU is starting to think about this.  I think that both of you may have been at HBS at the same time.  Could be a good resource.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On your definition, seems very &#8220;consulting-ese&#8221;, which probably works quite well with Mr. and Mrs. CEO.  Regarding its effectiveness, it depends on the context of your presentation.  I assume that you further lead with your presentation on how Enterprise 2.0 would help solve these CEOÂ’s problems.  </p>
<p>I guess that I would say the Enterprise 2.0 is a branch of the Web 2.0 tree, and that their buy-in is crucial for company wide adoption and to achieve the benefits of such a system.  </p>
<p>I would be interested in actually seeing your presentation, if you don&#8217;t mind.  Not to mention some takeaways you many have on the receptiveness of different industries to internal social communities.  For instance, I believe that a company like 3M would greatly benefit from an Enterprise 2.0 product.  It is company with a strong core competency (thin substrate/coating manufacturing) that has many mechanical/chemical engineers widely disbursed dealing with the same engineering process issues, just using different materials.  For instance, making blue painting tape in Minnesota probably has similar manufacturing issues to making red dot adhesive coated electrodes in Missouri. </p>
<p>Maybe that could be the next step in your research, to uncover what industries/company type would benefit most from these enterprise 2.0 products.  I am not sure if you know him, but Prof. David Croson at SMU is starting to think about this.  I think that both of you may have been at HBS at the same time.  Could be a good resource.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Shea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Shea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 19:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The message is short but sweet. But begs the question, how do I influence?

I have been working to establish a large scale collaborative environment in a hierarchical business setting. We were able to compare two approaches:  an open emergence model in which execution relied on a pure democratic approach coupled with self organization - (a limited/no influence model)  and a controlled emergence model in which a framework was established and people contributed within the framework - (a Â“moreÂ” influence model). In this business setting, the controlled model generated more value for the company. 

I would argue that a business operates with variety of attributes and social states many of which do not exist externally. Creating an environment that accounts for those attributes and providing guidelines for operating within that environment are at the core of what influence companies can have. Set the tone, open the doors, invite everyone in and let it rip.

What did the second slide say?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The message is short but sweet. But begs the question, how do I influence?</p>
<p>I have been working to establish a large scale collaborative environment in a hierarchical business setting. We were able to compare two approaches:  an open emergence model in which execution relied on a pure democratic approach coupled with self organization &#8211; (a limited/no influence model)  and a controlled emergence model in which a framework was established and people contributed within the framework &#8211; (a Â“moreÂ” influence model). In this business setting, the controlled model generated more value for the company. </p>
<p>I would argue that a business operates with variety of attributes and social states many of which do not exist externally. Creating an environment that accounts for those attributes and providing guidelines for operating within that environment are at the core of what influence companies can have. Set the tone, open the doors, invite everyone in and let it rip.</p>
<p>What did the second slide say?</p>
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		<title>By: Zach Tumin</title>
		<link>http://andrewmcafee.org/2008/03/sorry_was_that_an_aphorism/comment-page-1/#comment-3644</link>
		<dc:creator>Zach Tumin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 14:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been trying to figure out Twitter. And reading NYT (!) articles on how texting is all about power, privacy for 14 year olds (know what POS, PRW, and KPD mean? Substitute B (boss) for P (parent) and you&#039;ll get the drift for your company.) And seeing sites like chorewars.com pop up -- talk about a next move into corporate transparency, equity, efficiency... Can you *really* influence Enterprise 2.0? Only perhaps if you envision the enterprise as having those same iron-belt control structures and levers. But it won&#039;t. The &quot;cloud&quot; out there of web 2.0 suggests the entire play is going to be different. More like, &quot;With, or without you...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been trying to figure out Twitter. And reading NYT (!) articles on how texting is all about power, privacy for 14 year olds (know what POS, PRW, and KPD mean? Substitute B (boss) for P (parent) and you&#8217;ll get the drift for your company.) And seeing sites like chorewars.com pop up &#8212; talk about a next move into corporate transparency, equity, efficiency&#8230; Can you *really* influence Enterprise 2.0? Only perhaps if you envision the enterprise as having those same iron-belt control structures and levers. But it won&#8217;t. The &#8220;cloud&#8221; out there of web 2.0 suggests the entire play is going to be different. More like, &#8220;With, or without you&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Atul Rai</title>
		<link>http://andrewmcafee.org/2008/03/sorry_was_that_an_aphorism/comment-page-1/#comment-3643</link>
		<dc:creator>Atul Rai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 04:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the distinction is spot on. Though, it might also be important to make the distinction between influencing and controlling. Control over E2.0 is something which I dont see coming anytime soon, though the direction of the enterprise can be influenced. Having said that, though, it might also be worthwhile to add that the influence from the top is somewhat diminished compared to the &quot;pre-E2.0&quot; world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the distinction is spot on. Though, it might also be important to make the distinction between influencing and controlling. Control over E2.0 is something which I dont see coming anytime soon, though the direction of the enterprise can be influenced. Having said that, though, it might also be worthwhile to add that the influence from the top is somewhat diminished compared to the &#8220;pre-E2.0&#8243; world.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://andrewmcafee.org/2008/03/sorry_was_that_an_aphorism/comment-page-1/#comment-3642</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:22:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the Â“firewallÂ” distinction of Employee Generated C ontent (EGC) and User Generated Content (UGC) is a fair but can blur.  A focus on EGC can help limit the seemly endless litany of worse-case ,what if scenarios about employees Â“blogging all day and making Â“profane wiki pagesÂ” by shifting the argument toward the evidence, which over-whelming suggests that people at work know they are at work and thus act accordingly. 
 
Internal wikis, blogs, tagging software, etc. within the firewall can reduce email and attached PowerPoint and Word documents, but does the Â“WÂ” in Web 2.0 apply if you use the world as your research department such as Proctor and Gamble does when it posts chemical problems on the net for anyone to solve.  In this case, there is some Â“EÂ” and some Â“W.Â”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the Â“firewallÂ” distinction of Employee Generated C ontent (EGC) and User Generated Content (UGC) is a fair but can blur.  A focus on EGC can help limit the seemly endless litany of worse-case ,what if scenarios about employees Â“blogging all day and making Â“profane wiki pagesÂ” by shifting the argument toward the evidence, which over-whelming suggests that people at work know they are at work and thus act accordingly. </p>
<p>Internal wikis, blogs, tagging software, etc. within the firewall can reduce email and attached PowerPoint and Word documents, but does the Â“WÂ” in Web 2.0 apply if you use the world as your research department such as Proctor and Gamble does when it posts chemical problems on the net for anyone to solve.  In this case, there is some Â“EÂ” and some Â“W.Â”</p>
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		<title>By: Patxi Bonel</title>
		<link>http://andrewmcafee.org/2008/03/sorry_was_that_an_aphorism/comment-page-1/#comment-3641</link>
		<dc:creator>Patxi Bonel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2.0 is about interaction and communication

Web 2.0 is outer environment, is your market and is your Feedback

Enterprise 2.0 is your inner ecosystem, a tool to develop Enterprise culture, business integration, and a way to match information and knowledge all over the organisation to the places and teams that need it at every time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2.0 is about interaction and communication</p>
<p>Web 2.0 is outer environment, is your market and is your Feedback</p>
<p>Enterprise 2.0 is your inner ecosystem, a tool to develop Enterprise culture, business integration, and a way to match information and knowledge all over the organisation to the places and teams that need it at every time.</p>
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